| A meeting took place
on Wednesday 10th September 2003 in order for users of the centre
to discuss medication and it was intended that a representative
from one of the Locality Mental Health Teams would be present
at the meeting to respond to the issues raised. However due
to an emergency the representative was unable to attend. The
discussion is documented below, and it is hoped that we will
receive a response to the issues raised at a later date. Marie
Walker, the Centre Manager, chaired the meeting and 35 people
were present.
Question 1:
What is the best way of reducing stress?
Response: Those present suggested relaxation,
exercise, and sleep. It is important to keep occupied, read
a book, watch football, play football, but try to avoid sitting
alone at home doing nothing. Avoid alcohol. One client, aged
37, suggested he was too old to play football, and the response
was that one is never too old for exercise, or to be active.
Question 2:
The client has been receiving Modecate injections for 15 years.
For the last 7 years the dosage and frequency has remained
the same but the patient feels the dosage has never been reviewed.
How often should treatment be reviewed and what is the procedure
for reviewing medication?
Response:
Clients thought they should be seen by a consultant every
6 months, and their medication reviewed every 6 months.
Another client thought it wrong to be on medication long term,
and patients and consultants should work towards coming off
medication.
Patients should be offered a broader range of treatments including
counselling or psychotherapy. This should be offered before
patients go into crisis.
It was pointed out that coming off medication can cause a
relapse.
After a patient comes out of a crisis, why is it not policy
to slowly reduce medication with an aim to taking them off
altogether?
Question 3:
It is two years since the clients last breakdown. She
was taking 6mg of Risperdal and this was reviewed every 4
months. The dosage was reduced from 6mg to 4mg, and she is
now on 3mg. However one of the side affects is that she has
put on weight. Can anything be done about this?
Response:
Several people raised issues of side affects.
Question 4:
A client, aged 65+, taking Epilim and Prozac, asked if anybody
else was taking Epilim. He has been attending the day centre
for many years and he has not met anyone else who has been
prescribed with Epilim.
Response:
No other clients were prescribed Epilim. However a carer said
her son had been prescribed Epilim, and she believed it to
be a drug for the treatment of epilepsy. It was questioned
why drugs for epilepsy were being prescribed.
Question 5:
A client has been taking ?Lostril for 15 years and it has
adversely affected her liver and kidneys. Her medication has
been changed to Cipromil and reduced from 100mg to 20mg, however
she feels like a zombie, is extremely tired and cant
do anything for herself.
Response:
Another client responded that she had the same symptoms after
being prescribed a high dosage of a drug and that she took
herself off that medication. Her GP/consultant was not pleased,
but sometimes it is up to patients to do something for themselves.
It seems that only then will they be considered.
Question 6:
A client despaired of the fact that her GP did not listen
to her. There should be a two-way dialogue between the GP
and the patient, but the GP never considered what she had
to say. The patient knows how they are feeling yet they are
not consulted. She described doctors as trying to kill their
patients with their drugs.
Response:
Several identified with this point. Many clients did not think
their GPs and consultants treated them with respect, and truly
listened to what they had to say.
Clients understand that GPs and consultants have limited time,
but they also felt that their own time was wasted, sometimes
by several trips to the GP for repeat prescriptions.
Why cant mental health patients be treated more humanely?
Question 7:
A client takes 500 mg of Epilim at night and 300mg in the
day. Is this a lot?
Question 8:
How do you cope with depression?
Response:
Going to the centre regularly was helpful. Being alone and
isolated makes depression and illness worse.
Question 9:
A client asked if it was possible to get insurance against
mental health? One can insure different parts of the body,
against a broken arm or leg etc, can you insure against mental
illness?
Question 10:
A client has spent 31 years in and out of mental hospitals.
In Africa, she believes, the medicines given to patients by
a witchdoctor are natural, but the drugs in western medicine
are produced chemically and drug companies profit from them.
She does not trust doctors. Last time she was in hospital
she was given sleeping tablets at night, and sleeping tablets
during the day. That cannot be right. She was later told by
the consultant that she should not have been on the tablets
in the day.
Question 11:
A carer has a son who has been suffering from schizophrenia
for 12 years. He has had four changes to his medication. At
the moment he is on Sodium and has problems in the late afternoons.
He takes a tablet in the morning and another in the afternoon.
What can be done to balance his day? The tablets are too big
for him to swallow and have to be broken up. Is this a problem?
He has terrible side affects and wont travel anywhere,
he wont go on the bus. Is there anything that can be
done about the side affects?
Question 12:
I have been on medication for 8 years. The trigger for my
illness was bereavement, and problems with my children. The
source is no longer in my life and I would like to come off
medication. There seems to be no plans to wean anyone off
medication. Why not?
Question 13:
Another carers son had been prescribed Risperidone,
but was now on Olanzapine. She has tried to look into the
drugs and it seems these two are the same? Is that correct?
Her son is living in Woodford and there is not a good racial
mix in that area. She has asked for him to be moved to a different
area but nothing has happened. Her son had problems before
being diagnosed with schizophrenia. They do not address these
problems. He has also been prescribed Epilim, as mentioned
earlier, and when I looked into the drug it is prescribed
for epileptic fits. He doesnt have fits. Patients need
someone to support them and look after their case. My son
wets himself. He doesnt know he is doing it. Hes
not coping. The police picked him up in the middle of the
night, walking to my house and now he is in Goodmayes. He
is ill and cant help himself.
Response:
Carers and clients want more information about medication.
Why is there so little support?
Why are black people treated differently? It was felt that
even in the Borough of Waltham Forest with a high percentage
of ethnic minorities, cultural differences were not taken
into consideration.
It was discussed that although several GPs and consultants
are from ethnic minorities, their medical training is very
Eurocentric.
It is different for ethnic minorities. They do not get enough
sun and sunlight, and often live on their own in cramped conditions,
in bedsits. Their lives are unnatural. The food they eat is
not natural to their system.
Another client argued that mental health care in Britain was
often better than in African countries. She had a cousin with
mental illness who was kept in a small room and his food was
thrown on the ground before him.
This treatment was blamed on a lack of funds and a phobia
within the community about mental illness. If you suffer from
mental illness your life is over, and people are sometimes
kept chained up. This treatment is awful.
Question 14:
A carers son was taken into hospital. He didnt want
an injection and in a struggle the doctor was hit. This resulted
in a summons to court, and he was put on probation. My son
is not well, and he broke his probation because of his medical
situation. I am in the process of trying to get his case out
of the courts.
Response:
Carers and clients would like to know how the penal system
communicates with medical professionals. When is a psychiatrist
called in? At what stage do they get involved? Why dont
they communicate sooner with the penal system?
It is thought that sometimes the medical professionals do
not want to get involved?
Question 15:
A client recounted that she was asked to telephone the Home
Treatment Team if she felt she was going into a crisis. She
did ring them, and they did respond, and because of this she
didnt have to go into hospital.
Response:
Other clients asked how they get in touch with the Home Treatment
Team.
Some had been told about the team at the hospital.
This service is only available in the south of the borough,
and therefore only covers about a third of the borough. Why
isnt this available across the borough?
BPMHA gave out cards with Home Treatment Team information.
Question 16:
A carer explained that her husband had suffered for 39 years.
At the moment he gets up very early, but is not suffering
the side affects of dribbling. She points out that it is very
difficult for carers and that they have very little or no
support. And she asks why is it so difficult to get the balance
of medication right?
Response:
Carers and clients alike would like a response to this question?
Question 17:
Why are the mentally ill treated so violently by the police
and the medical profession? Is it necessary to use such violence
in order to control behaviour? And after incidents caused
through mental health, why are they then stigmatised?
Response:
A few clients had been treated violently by police. One remarked
that he thought he was going to die.
Several described receiving injections as violating, and the
manner in which they were injected as violent.
A client described how it involved 12 people to give her an
injection, and she perceives this to be extremely embarrassing.
Further embarrassment is caused when you find yourself naked
in a room when you wake up.
Another client described her experience of not wanting an
injection. It took four people to hold her down, but she said
they were apologetic afterwards.
The violence was perceived to be mental as well as physical,
especially when patients feel they are not listened to.
A carer described how her son was stigmatised after he hit
a doctor. When the police came they stood on his hands. His
son no longer has a GP, and he cannot get an appointment anywhere.
Question 18:
A client described problems with communication between the
consultant and the GP, both when she was discharged from hospital
and after check-ups. What can be done to improve this communication?
Response:
Several clients experienced problems.
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